Tip #35 Where NALT Belongs
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wingedbeastNALT (accronym): Not All Like That
Credit: Dan Savage
Imagine two people come to you on behalf of their organization. The first person, who we'll call LT, calmly, even happily explains how it's such a travesty of justice that you are allowed to make your own decisions when you are not a member of the organization. In a just universe, his organization would take control of your life and make sure you don't do anything horribly evil, as you're likely to do. The good news is that his organization can change you so as to make you someone who isn't a complete mental and moral inferior.
After LT is done, the other person, N, quietly takes you aside and out of earshot in order to inform you that LT does not really represent the organization and that you shouldn't hold LT against the organization.
That may well be true. But, why didn't N interrupt in order to tell LT that?
Recently, Buzzfeedyellow put out a video, I'm a Christian, but...* In this video, self-identified Christians identify that they aren't anti-gay. They aren't exclusionary. They aren't jerks. That's all well and good.
Dan Savage coined the term NALT in response to the many Christians who sent him messages to inform him that not all Christians oppose homosexuality. That's all well and good.
Please, keep on Not being Like That.
And, when you talk to N, it's not that you don't appreciate that N isn't LT. You acknowledge that N acknowledges your mental and moral equality. And, that's all well and good. But, N telling you, without telling LT, tells you something about N. It tells you that N is more concerned with the organization looking good than doing good. Because, if the organization is to do good, at least good as N understands it, LT needs to be checked and fought hard and often.
This is a tip that applies more the more privilege your faith has in your community. In my community, that's Christianity. And, the LT folk get a lot of their credibility, within themselves individually and within their communities, from thinking that, indeed, they are All Like That and those that aren't aren't really members.
Ray Comfort, Hovind's both Eric and Kent, and Ken Ham all ply a manner of discourse that includes an assumption that Christian=Creationist, without any exceptions. And, I can only oppose them on the claims regarding science. As readily as I can tell them that non-Creationist Christians exist, they aren't likely to listen to me, because I'm not a Christian.
Huckabee, Santorum, and Perry all act and talk in a manner that assumes that Christian=opposes homosexuality. I can argue against the notion that their religion should have any baring on law. I can argue secular society. I can tell them that not all Christians agree with them, but they're not going to listen to me.
And, they probably won't easily listen to you. But, the people listening to them with the assumption that all Christians are anti-gay and Creationist might learn that the assumption is false and feel freer to learn and study, rather than believe on nothing more than "the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it."
This also applies to me in that I have a better view of a faith when its best members will fight its worst, rather than cozy up to them in the notion that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
You might not be Like That. The people who are Like That, however, are claiming ownership without much of a fight. They're claiming your religion. They're claiming your political party. They're claiming my nation. And, they're not shying away from the argument, not from you as a member of your faith or me as someone who believes being liberal isn't incompatable with being a patriot.
But, when we don't fight the people claiming our labels for their bigotries, their bigotries win, if only because others see us letting them win.
* https://youtu.be/5bWHSpmXEJs
(Edited: Correction, the name is Dan Savage, not Adam Savage. Got the wrong Savage.)
Credit: Dan Savage
Imagine two people come to you on behalf of their organization. The first person, who we'll call LT, calmly, even happily explains how it's such a travesty of justice that you are allowed to make your own decisions when you are not a member of the organization. In a just universe, his organization would take control of your life and make sure you don't do anything horribly evil, as you're likely to do. The good news is that his organization can change you so as to make you someone who isn't a complete mental and moral inferior.
After LT is done, the other person, N, quietly takes you aside and out of earshot in order to inform you that LT does not really represent the organization and that you shouldn't hold LT against the organization.
That may well be true. But, why didn't N interrupt in order to tell LT that?
Recently, Buzzfeedyellow put out a video, I'm a Christian, but...* In this video, self-identified Christians identify that they aren't anti-gay. They aren't exclusionary. They aren't jerks. That's all well and good.
Dan Savage coined the term NALT in response to the many Christians who sent him messages to inform him that not all Christians oppose homosexuality. That's all well and good.
Please, keep on Not being Like That.
And, when you talk to N, it's not that you don't appreciate that N isn't LT. You acknowledge that N acknowledges your mental and moral equality. And, that's all well and good. But, N telling you, without telling LT, tells you something about N. It tells you that N is more concerned with the organization looking good than doing good. Because, if the organization is to do good, at least good as N understands it, LT needs to be checked and fought hard and often.
This is a tip that applies more the more privilege your faith has in your community. In my community, that's Christianity. And, the LT folk get a lot of their credibility, within themselves individually and within their communities, from thinking that, indeed, they are All Like That and those that aren't aren't really members.
Ray Comfort, Hovind's both Eric and Kent, and Ken Ham all ply a manner of discourse that includes an assumption that Christian=Creationist, without any exceptions. And, I can only oppose them on the claims regarding science. As readily as I can tell them that non-Creationist Christians exist, they aren't likely to listen to me, because I'm not a Christian.
Huckabee, Santorum, and Perry all act and talk in a manner that assumes that Christian=opposes homosexuality. I can argue against the notion that their religion should have any baring on law. I can argue secular society. I can tell them that not all Christians agree with them, but they're not going to listen to me.
And, they probably won't easily listen to you. But, the people listening to them with the assumption that all Christians are anti-gay and Creationist might learn that the assumption is false and feel freer to learn and study, rather than believe on nothing more than "the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it."
This also applies to me in that I have a better view of a faith when its best members will fight its worst, rather than cozy up to them in the notion that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".
You might not be Like That. The people who are Like That, however, are claiming ownership without much of a fight. They're claiming your religion. They're claiming your political party. They're claiming my nation. And, they're not shying away from the argument, not from you as a member of your faith or me as someone who believes being liberal isn't incompatable with being a patriot.
But, when we don't fight the people claiming our labels for their bigotries, their bigotries win, if only because others see us letting them win.
* https://youtu.be/5bWHSpmXEJs
(Edited: Correction, the name is Dan Savage, not Adam Savage. Got the wrong Savage.)
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Date: 2017-06-11 02:34 am (UTC)One, if I were feeling nasty, I might hypothetically point out that this is a lot like telling the billions of moderate Muslims in the world that they must support terrorism, because they don't denounce it. Well, actually, they do, but no one listens.
The problem is that we NALT Christians get tired of banging our heads on the brick wall that is the LT Christians. We get to hear the same old tired clobber verses you get, coupled with accusations of being "liberal Christians" or "cafeteria Christians", like those are bad things. The only bad thing about them is that they are thought-stopping labels among LT (RTC) Christians. Once they've decided you're a "liberal Christian", you're almost worst than an atheist to them, and they will not listen to you. They will, however, argue bad apologetics at you to try to get you to see how wrong you are.
Also, the NALT Christians who come to Pride events and so on? We're shaming the LTs for their lack of love, and letting the world know they aren't the sole owners of Christianity.
So I think you and Dan Savage were wrong here.
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Date: 2017-06-11 04:32 pm (UTC)This set will not only refrain from fighting against the LT army, they'll join them. They'll share memes about how gender is biological and restricted, then complain about how Christians are treated as a monolith.
If you see this kind of thing happen, see a constant drumbeat of treating others as morally lesser monoliths, and are moved to so much as write out a facebook comment *only* when it comes to complaining about this being done to your faith?
You, dragoness, you do feel moved to do that little bit before it comes time to tell me that Christians are NALT. That's important. And, yes, I get that it gets to be a headache bashing your head against that brick wall. For those of us who aren't in their group (whether Christian or conservative), it's not so much a brick wall as it is flying bricks.